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Hammer Of Theil · Sep 08, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

dude, i dont wanna be mean or anything, but why did u donate all that stuff? it's yours, and not theirs. plus, if u help so much, u should have been officer anyways. that was a suckage guild, i must agree. But a bit of advice, don't give really worthfull stuff to ppl u dont know, cus it'll only screw u up

anyways, unlucky you had this experience, those ungrateful bastards! join a guild where u can actually get help when u need it! i h8 those guilds n im happy im not in 1

. GL finding a good guild m8, u deserved it imo

Ehrenia · Sep 08, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

give something away if you think you should, not if others think you should. in my guild we try to give stuff for free but guildies insist on paying something for the items usually

Evenstar · Sep 08, 2006, 03:41 PM // 15:41

ive been pkaying gw for more than 6 months and have been a member and even an offiecr in a few guilds.
the first guild is what i would like to tell about.
i joined this guild a really long time ago and spent about 4 months.
this guild was never really friendly or helping unless u knew the guild leader and some of the officers in real life or was close friends with in game.
the chance of getting any help with quest\mission in this guild was the same as finding a black dye in ascalon(very little), ppl just listened to you yell and almost always ignored.
i personally never talked to most of the officers or the guild leeder untill i had enough of it and left.
what was the most ennoying aspect of my fellow guild members was an extreme high lvl of snobizm, and chats on the guild channel always looked like a friendly meeting of the few ppl who started the guild and every one else were left out.
l8r we all joined an allience who proved to be not less snobish and ignoring.
the reason why ai left this guild was that one day i logged in just to realise that the guild leader had aanounced that every one who wont donate at least 5k factions will b kicked out and done this in a most discusting way, so i left this guild as soon as i read this!
that left me wondering for a long time why would i join a guild if ill just get a descriminating and arogant treatment.

Linksys · Sep 09, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14

Wow, I'm surprised there are guilds like this. I would think a leader would feel he/she would have to do the opposite just to keep a guild together. If I was a leader, I'd be trying to keep everyone happy and comfortable so that they actually want to stay. And if they wished to leave, I'd have no problem with that.

Perkunas · Oct 09, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

I am a leader of a small PvE guild. I and 1 of my officers farm like crazy. We both have extra characters just for storage purposes. When we get a new member, we don't ask them for anythng. I have a 'perma pre' character. This character has plenty of gold and crafting materials. I usually see that the new member has plenty of gold. I have given up to 1k to them in pre. I do what I can to get them the best weapon available and show them where to get their armor upgraded. When they come to post, I help them with materials and gold to get their first set of armor and give them a superior salvage and ID kit. I tell them how to aquire what they need for their next set of armor. In my opinion, getting them through the first 4 missions is a must. No need for a runner to Yak's Bend that way. Then I turn them loose on doing their quests. I have always made myself available to help when they need it.

When they find a rare item that they can not use, I offer to buy it from them at or ABOVE fair market value. I and my second in command always donate to the guild. We ask NOTHING in return. So far, all who has joined us is still with us.

BassVII · Oct 09, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Wow....never knew there were guilds like that

In my 7 months of playing I have been in 2 guilds, my first one was great, everyone helped each other out and the officers and GL were very friendly, we helped each other out and everything, I made it to officer, a month later though due to some problems the GL had in real life he went inactive for months, eventually the guild died due to inactivity, he had just gotten back a week ago.

My second guild I have been in for 4 months, it is great. We're very active at night, everyone is friendly and barely ask for anything, we all help each other out wehn possible, they give away things like collector items and non rare mats for guildies, they buy everything else from them, usually the sller gives them a discount

, we're a PVE based guild, no faction slavers, we're just there to have fun.

Long run on sentence >.>

Considering what you said about the officers and their policy, I think the officers could be his ALT accounts, he would want alot of fow >_>

Crystal Alice · Oct 11, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

wow. just wow.
i have never heard of guilds doing this before. those people were just scammers and crooks. i would never EVER give away my Urgoz's shortbow either. that's a negative towards all guilds because if other people have that experience, they will not want to join another guild or ever trust another person with their stuff.
personally, being an officer of a guild, i would never ask for rare items or materials to get armour. taking away the things that the members have worked hard for and then sugar coating it to make the stealing sound alright is completely wrong. being an officer means that you will help people out in the game when you can and be an example towards the other members of the guild.

Quote:

Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

Females play GW???????????

well duh we play guild wars

who do you think are the ones buying all of the 15k armours and fow for their characters just to look pretty? lol

Maria The Princess · Oct 18, 2006, 09:05 AM // 09:05

i still dont understand how you could have tough its normal when you first joined the guild???

Lady Lozza · Oct 18, 2006, 10:40 AM // 10:40

Lol, barring the infighting and soapie episodes that crop up every now and then, my guild seems to work well. Unlike the OP, our (the officers') concern is that new players don't want to join in. We are a very social guild, farming together, doing missions together, Pvping together. Yet so many players who join (and later leave) make no effort to really get involved. Some ask for help, and sometimes when we are in the middle of something we can't give it. But 80% of the time members don't ask for help, then complain about not getting it. As far as sharing/giving weapons and money goes, we use our disgression. There are some members who just don't seem to go away (who get kicked and then some idiot invites back) who will abuse the hell out of those who are only too willing to share with guildies. Our solution nowdays is to keep quite about money and weapon give-aways so that said persons (2 or 3 of them) don't kick up a fuss (get kicked and then re-invited again). Don't ask me about this process, it's just one of those funny things my guild does... :S

Slainster · Oct 18, 2006, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

Females play GW???????????

..Oh yes they most certainly do! My guild has a few real life people of the female variety! I like the mix, i suddenly dont feel like im in a sweat box where the stench of nerdiness is strong!

To the topic though, leaving was probably the best thing you could have done, donations should be personal choice, not forced, at least that is how it is in my guild. And as for sponsering your officers FOW armor??!? heck is all i can say!

Maria The Princess · Oct 18, 2006, 12:07 PM // 12:07

im a female and we have 4 others in my guild

we like it cuz its not only "shoot whatever you see and log off" game

Sofonisba · Oct 18, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

/Offtopic
I'm a female leader, and when we created a twin guild, the current members voted another woman to lead it.

/Ontopic

Officers required to have FoW armor?

I'm sorry, I've been an officer or leader the entire time of playing GW and NEVER EVER EVER in my wildest dreams would I ask people to help me get FoW armor by giving me valuable things. (Though I might ask people to join me in the hunt for ectos and shards...)

Staying in because one day you too will be officer and all others will bow down and pay homage to you?

I'm sorry, that's just not realistic. An officer is promoted because of their natural leadership qualities and instinctual adherence to the guild's principles, not because of time or money spent. (Offtopic again, but one time we promoted an officer over someone else who had been there longer, that person got huffy and left... I knew then we'd made the right decision in not promoting them!)

Any guild requiring you to front your own joining money (even though it's only 100g), requiring donations (which is an oxymoron), or requiring you to give away valuable things----run very fast in the other direction. LAME!!!

The Abbott · Oct 18, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

wow at that guild... I wanna join it just to wind them up with my hoardes of rare items and fow armor,,

Stemnin · Oct 18, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

LOL, sorry dude, but wtf guild policy to GIVE ectos, shards and stuff, and only the officers get FOW armor, so sorry you got into such a crap guild and stayed that long.

teenchi · Oct 18, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Off topic/

Quote:

I am a leader of a small PvE guild. I and 1 of my officers farm like crazy. We both have extra characters just for storage purposes. When we get a new member, we don't ask them for anythng. I have a 'perma pre' character. This character has plenty of gold and crafting materials. I usually see that the new member has plenty of gold. I have given up to 1k to them in pre. I do what I can to get them the best weapon available and show them where to get their armor upgraded. When they come to post, I help them with materials and gold to get their first set of armor and give them a superior salvage and ID kit. I tell them how to aquire what they need for their next set of armor. In my opinion, getting them through the first 4 missions is a must. No need for a runner to Yak's Bend that way. Then I turn them loose on doing their quests. I have always made myself available to help when they need it.

When they find a rare item that they can not use, I offer to buy it from them at or ABOVE fair market value. I and my second in command always donate to the guild. We ask NOTHING in return. So far, all who has joined us is still with us.

Very nice! I'm going to use some of these ideas for my guild.

Off topic again/
I'm a female and I'm a huge GW addict and a guild leader. We are now up to 6 females in our guild of 70 people. I'm pretty psyched about that. Lots of you good husbands and boyfriends are getting your women into the game.

On topic/
Never ever join a guild that makes you give them anything in my opinion.

Lady Lozza · Oct 23, 2006, 10:03 AM // 10:03

<-- Female who didn't need her boyfriend to get her into the game. I game (and always have) more than he does

Unfortunately he doesn't play

I've tried, but he says he can't stand RPGs. :S

Tommy · Oct 23, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17

guild is pretty much meaningless after i have seen my guild leader got both protector title with her henchies.imao. you dont need a guild if you dont pvp. pve doesn't really require a guild in GW.
ANYTHING WILL DO in GW's so called pve. after playing over 16 months of gw. i finally figure that out. and you probably dont need it right after nf is released, you can play with heroes. they do just as good as most pugs. helping out guidies is really time-consuming but not helping will get you kicked out from the guild. once you are good, you know that you can pretty much play on your own, guild will only become your burden. you help ppl out and ppl wont help you back and you can't really help out anyway< well, for what i am doing, they can't

>. from my exp, most good old players<i dont consider myself as a good player, so dont flame

> in my era dont have a guild anymore, they pretty much play on their own or in some inactive elite guild just to hang out with ppl. GW's pve is way TOO EASY compare to wow and ffonline. i remember my friend with other 3000 players killing a boss in ffonline for over 6 hours:L anway if you just pve dont get a guild, just play on your own. you get into a guild only if you are new and you want some help, if you play this game long enough, you got some money and gears to play around. dont get into a guild. players in GW are just not hardcore enough to make up a real guild, you know what a real guild is? one of my friend's guild in ffonline and wow has a bunch of accountants, they do a so-called booking, this is how they work. you help out a guildie, you got one credit, when you ask for help you lose one credit. you have to help first to get helped by the others. you dont help you dont get helped. ppl are just too selfish in guildwar.

Jupiter Exsurgo · Oct 23, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrScaRy

I also figured out that, if the guild leader is a female, she is more likely to be more trustworthy than a male guild leader, mainly because females, I believe, are less "evil" and won't try to scam their own guildies out of their selfishness.

Hmm thats an interesting view, id like to know what you based this theory on?

And to the post asking the stupid q if women play. Of course they do! I have two in my guild.

With reguards to your post, i really feel for you as you seemed to put alot of time and effort into a bunch of stealing bar stewards.

Ive run a guild since march 06 and have never onced asked for any donation from any guild members.

Tell me why does a guild needs money? or a treasury but for buying the traders etc which are there for every body.

Join a guild that isnt focused on money making, look for the ones that promote community and friendship. I think you'll find them more enjoyable

Matix411 · Oct 23, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Yeah that's definetly one of the first severe cases of superiority abuse I've heard of in a long time.
Most of the guilds I've joined have either been run by incredibly childish leaders, or the guild was just really inactive and boring.
The last few guilds I've been in, however, have been quite good in terms of sportsmanship, generosity etc. A couple were really good at the beginning, but then a lot of people quit after either the leader quit coming online for prolonged periods of time or because they weren't getting enough out of the guild.
The guild I'm in right now actually, is probably the best I've been in yet. And the leader's first message to me was that if I'm ever promoted to officer, I have to donate a certain amount of faction a week, and if not faction, a little bit of gold towards the guild. But that's OFFICERS. Not only that, she doesn't promote unless the officers are long-time guildies, or frequent PvPers anyway. She's constantly telling the new guys that we don't have to abide by the status message in that we don't have to donate money/faction, because a lot of new guildies seem to think that it's a requirement in order to stay in the guild. But it's not. Only for officers, and if the regulars want to donate as well, they are more than welcome to obviously, as it's a great help to the guild. I think that's how a lot of guilds are run though, but it's a first for me, and I respect the leader's beliefs in a strong guild etc.
But I think that, with the way our guild is run, it's harder for situations like the OPs to happen, and I mean, it's not like they're donating items, but they have to donate something, so at least we KNOW they are donating, and not sitting around harrassing other players for money/items. Which is good.

That sucks though. I would have left months prior to that if I noticed I was the only one that was being really generous. Good faith or not. If I'm in a guild of 50+ people and I'm the only one donating rare items and abundances of gold or materials, I'd either stop doing it or leave straight up.

Sep 08, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59	#101
Hammer Of Theil Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Holland Guild: I Zen I Profession: W/	dude, i dont wanna be mean or anything, but why did u donate all that stuff? it's yours, and not theirs. plus, if u help so much, u should have been officer anyways. that was a suckage guild, i must agree. But a bit of advice, don't give really worthfull stuff to ppl u dont know, cus it'll only screw u up anyways, unlucky you had this experience, those ungrateful bastards! join a guild where u can actually get help when u need it! i h8 those guilds n im happy im not in 1. GL finding a good guild m8, u deserved it imo Last edited by Hammer Of Theil; Sep 08, 2006 at 02:05 PM // 14:05..

Sep 08, 2006, 03:41 PM // 15:41	#103
Evenstar Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mystic Falls Guild: Guildless.... Profession: E/Me	my own guild experience ive been pkaying gw for more than 6 months and have been a member and even an offiecr in a few guilds. the first guild is what i would like to tell about. i joined this guild a really long time ago and spent about 4 months. this guild was never really friendly or helping unless u knew the guild leader and some of the officers in real life or was close friends with in game. the chance of getting any help with quest\mission in this guild was the same as finding a black dye in ascalon(very little), ppl just listened to you yell and almost always ignored. i personally never talked to most of the officers or the guild leeder untill i had enough of it and left. what was the most ennoying aspect of my fellow guild members was an extreme high lvl of snobizm, and chats on the guild channel always looked like a friendly meeting of the few ppl who started the guild and every one else were left out. l8r we all joined an allience who proved to be not less snobish and ignoring. the reason why ai left this guild was that one day i logged in just to realise that the guild leader had aanounced that every one who wont donate at least 5k factions will b kicked out and done this in a most discusting way, so i left this guild as soon as i read this! that left me wondering for a long time why would i join a guild if ill just get a descriminating and arogant treatment.

Oct 09, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46	#106
BassVII Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Right here Profession: N/	Wow....never knew there were guilds like that In my 7 months of playing I have been in 2 guilds, my first one was great, everyone helped each other out and the officers and GL were very friendly, we helped each other out and everything, I made it to officer, a month later though due to some problems the GL had in real life he went inactive for months, eventually the guild died due to inactivity, he had just gotten back a week ago. My second guild I have been in for 4 months, it is great. We're very active at night, everyone is friendly and barely ask for anything, we all help each other out wehn possible, they give away things like collector items and non rare mats for guildies, they buy everything else from them, usually the sller gives them a discount , we're a PVE based guild, no faction slavers, we're just there to have fun. Long run on sentence >.> Considering what you said about the officers and their policy, I think the officers could be his ALT accounts, he would want alot of fow >_> Last edited by BassVII; Oct 09, 2006 at 08:55 PM // 20:55..

Oct 23, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17	#117
Tommy Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Grotto,The Paradise of GW Afkers Guild: Afkers Never [CRY] Profession: W/Rt	guild is pretty much meaningless after i have seen my guild leader got both protector title with her henchies.imao. you dont need a guild if you dont pvp. pve doesn't really require a guild in GW. ANYTHING WILL DO in GW's so called pve. after playing over 16 months of gw. i finally figure that out. and you probably dont need it right after nf is released, you can play with heroes. they do just as good as most pugs. helping out guidies is really time-consuming but not helping will get you kicked out from the guild. once you are good, you know that you can pretty much play on your own, guild will only become your burden. you help ppl out and ppl wont help you back and you can't really help out anyway< well, for what i am doing, they can't>. from my exp, most good old players<i dont consider myself as a good player, so dont flame> in my era dont have a guild anymore, they pretty much play on their own or in some inactive elite guild just to hang out with ppl. GW's pve is way TOO EASY compare to wow and ffonline. i remember my friend with other 3000 players killing a boss in ffonline for over 6 hours:L anway if you just pve dont get a guild, just play on your own. you get into a guild only if you are new and you want some help, if you play this game long enough, you got some money and gears to play around. dont get into a guild. players in GW are just not hardcore enough to make up a real guild, you know what a real guild is? one of my friend's guild in ffonline and wow has a bunch of accountants, they do a so-called booking, this is how they work. you help out a guildie, you got one credit, when you ask for help you lose one credit. you have to help first to get helped by the others. you dont help you dont get helped. ppl are just too selfish in guildwar. Last edited by Tommy; Oct 23, 2006 at 02:31 PM // 14:31..

Sep 08, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22	#102
Ehrenia Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Melted Chocolate Bunnies [EaT]	give something away if you think you should, not if others think you should. in my guild we try to give stuff for free but guildies insist on paying something for the items usually

Sep 09, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14	#104
Linksys Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006	Wow, I'm surprised there are guilds like this. I would think a leader would feel he/she would have to do the opposite just to keep a guild together. If I was a leader, I'd be trying to keep everyone happy and comfortable so that they actually want to stay. And if they wished to leave, I'd have no problem with that.

Oct 09, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58	#105
Perkunas Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my own little world, looking at yours Guild: Only Us[NotU] Profession: E/	I am a leader of a small PvE guild. I and 1 of my officers farm like crazy. We both have extra characters just for storage purposes. When we get a new member, we don't ask them for anythng. I have a 'perma pre' character. This character has plenty of gold and crafting materials. I usually see that the new member has plenty of gold. I have given up to 1k to them in pre. I do what I can to get them the best weapon available and show them where to get their armor upgraded. When they come to post, I help them with materials and gold to get their first set of armor and give them a superior salvage and ID kit. I tell them how to aquire what they need for their next set of armor. In my opinion, getting them through the first 4 missions is a must. No need for a runner to Yak's Bend that way. Then I turn them loose on doing their quests. I have always made myself available to help when they need it. When they find a rare item that they can not use, I offer to buy it from them at or ABOVE fair market value. I and my second in command always donate to the guild. We ask NOTHING in return. So far, all who has joined us is still with us.

Oct 18, 2006, 09:05 AM // 09:05	#108
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	i still dont understand how you could have tough its normal when you first joined the guild???

Oct 18, 2006, 10:40 AM // 10:40	#109
Lady Lozza Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oz Guild: Angel Sharks Profession: Me/N	Lol, barring the infighting and soapie episodes that crop up every now and then, my guild seems to work well. Unlike the OP, our (the officers') concern is that new players don't want to join in. We are a very social guild, farming together, doing missions together, Pvping together. Yet so many players who join (and later leave) make no effort to really get involved. Some ask for help, and sometimes when we are in the middle of something we can't give it. But 80% of the time members don't ask for help, then complain about not getting it. As far as sharing/giving weapons and money goes, we use our disgression. There are some members who just don't seem to go away (who get kicked and then some idiot invites back) who will abuse the hell out of those who are only too willing to share with guildies. Our solution nowdays is to keep quite about money and weapon give-aways so that said persons (2 or 3 of them) don't kick up a fuss (get kicked and then re-invited again). Don't ask me about this process, it's just one of those funny things my guild does... :S

Oct 18, 2006, 12:07 PM // 12:07	#111
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	im a female and we have 4 others in my guild we like it cuz its not only "shoot whatever you see and log off" game

Oct 18, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19	#112
Sofonisba Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]	/Offtopic I'm a female leader, and when we created a twin guild, the current members voted another woman to lead it. /Ontopic Officers required to have FoW armor? I'm sorry, I've been an officer or leader the entire time of playing GW and NEVER EVER EVER in my wildest dreams would I ask people to help me get FoW armor by giving me valuable things. (Though I might ask people to join me in the hunt for ectos and shards...) Staying in because one day you too will be officer and all others will bow down and pay homage to you? I'm sorry, that's just not realistic. An officer is promoted because of their natural leadership qualities and instinctual adherence to the guild's principles, not because of time or money spent. (Offtopic again, but one time we promoted an officer over someone else who had been there longer, that person got huffy and left... I knew then we'd made the right decision in not promoting them!) Any guild requiring you to front your own joining money (even though it's only 100g), requiring donations (which is an oxymoron), or requiring you to give away valuable things----run very fast in the other direction. LAME!!!

Oct 18, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14	#113
The Abbott Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aruthas Gatekeepers Profession: Mo/W	wow at that guild... I wanna join it just to wind them up with my hoardes of rare items and fow armor,,

Oct 18, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32	#114
Stemnin Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: Mo/Me	LOL, sorry dude, but wtf guild policy to GIVE ectos, shards and stuff, and only the officers get FOW armor, so sorry you got into such a crap guild and stayed that long.

Oct 23, 2006, 10:03 AM // 10:03	#116
Lady Lozza Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oz Guild: Angel Sharks Profession: Me/N	<-- Female who didn't need her boyfriend to get her into the game. I game (and always have) more than he does Unfortunately he doesn't play I've tried, but he says he can't stand RPGs. :S

Oct 23, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50	#119
Matix411 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ontario	Yeah that's definetly one of the first severe cases of superiority abuse I've heard of in a long time. Most of the guilds I've joined have either been run by incredibly childish leaders, or the guild was just really inactive and boring. The last few guilds I've been in, however, have been quite good in terms of sportsmanship, generosity etc. A couple were really good at the beginning, but then a lot of people quit after either the leader quit coming online for prolonged periods of time or because they weren't getting enough out of the guild. The guild I'm in right now actually, is probably the best I've been in yet. And the leader's first message to me was that if I'm ever promoted to officer, I have to donate a certain amount of faction a week, and if not faction, a little bit of gold towards the guild. But that's OFFICERS. Not only that, she doesn't promote unless the officers are long-time guildies, or frequent PvPers anyway. She's constantly telling the new guys that we don't have to abide by the status message in that we don't have to donate money/faction, because a lot of new guildies seem to think that it's a requirement in order to stay in the guild. But it's not. Only for officers, and if the regulars want to donate as well, they are more than welcome to obviously, as it's a great help to the guild. I think that's how a lot of guilds are run though, but it's a first for me, and I respect the leader's beliefs in a strong guild etc. But I think that, with the way our guild is run, it's harder for situations like the OPs to happen, and I mean, it's not like they're donating items, but they have to donate something, so at least we KNOW they are donating, and not sitting around harrassing other players for money/items. Which is good. That sucks though. I would have left months prior to that if I noticed I was the only one that was being really generous. Good faith or not. If I'm in a guild of 50+ people and I'm the only one donating rare items and abundances of gold or materials, I'd either stop doing it or leave straight up.